Il 25 aprile 2016 14:00:43 CEST, Paolo Dongilli paolo.dongilli@gmail.com ha scritto:
http://www.ghacks.net/2016/04/25/open365-office-365-alternative/
From the linked page:
--8<-- You can sign up for the service on the official website currently but the makers plan to release repositories that you can install on servers you have control over to create a self-hosted version of Open365 that you have more control over. --8<--
I'm sorry but until this happens I consider this just as closed source as any other proprietary solution. I've seen already way too many "open source" projects with siloed development turn open core or something else.
Ciao, Daniele
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Il 25/apr/2016 14:51, "Daniele Gobbetti" daniele@gobbetti.name ha scritto:
Il 25 aprile 2016 14:00:43 CEST, Paolo Dongilli paolo.dongilli@gmail.com
ha scritto:
http://www.ghacks.net/2016/04/25/open365-office-365-alternative/
From the linked page:
--8<-- You can sign up for the service on the official website currently but the
makers plan to release repositories that you can install on servers you have control over to create a self-hosted version of Open365 that you have more control over.
--8<--
I'm sorry but until this happens I consider this just as closed source as
any other proprietary solution.
I've seen already way too many "open source" projects with siloed
development turn open core or something else.
Ciao, Daniele
Stick to the core components Daniele which are GNU/Linux, LibreOffice, KMail, Kontact and ownCloud. As far as I know, the only black sheep is the eyeOS technology. Let's see if they're going to free it soon.
Fuggedaboutit!
Paolo.
Ciao,
On 25 April 2016 at 14:50, Daniele Gobbetti daniele@gobbetti.name wrote:
Il 25 aprile 2016 14:00:43 CEST, Paolo Dongilli paolo.dongilli@gmail.com ha scritto:
http://www.ghacks.net/2016/04/25/open365-office-365-alternative/
From the linked page:
--8<-- You can sign up for the service on the official website currently but the makers plan to release repositories that you can install on servers you have control over to create a self-hosted version of Open365 that you have more control over. --8<--
I'm sorry but until this happens I consider this just as closed source as any other proprietary solution. I've seen already way too many "open source" projects with siloed development turn open core or something else.
Daniele, you are 101% correct about this, but as Paolo highlights, the same infrasctructure can be set up with just a little effort: a central server managed by yourself equipped with libreoffice, owncloud, seafile, jitsi, etc., and a set of (thin) clients for the users, until open36t5 does not become free.
The only drawback of open365's is that its linux client is available only for ubuntu. On debian it does not install, as well as on non-deb-based distros.
Cheers, Stefano
--8<-- The only drawback of open365's is that its linux client is available only for ubuntu. On debian it does not install, as well as on non-deb-based distros. --8<-- This a strong drawback, may be solvable if the source code will be released
diego
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On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 9:22 AM, Steevie steevie@gmail.com wrote:
Ciao,
On 25 April 2016 at 14:50, Daniele Gobbetti daniele@gobbetti.name wrote:
Il 25 aprile 2016 14:00:43 CEST, Paolo Dongilli <
paolo.dongilli@gmail.com> ha scritto:
http://www.ghacks.net/2016/04/25/open365-office-365-alternative/
From the linked page:
--8<-- You can sign up for the service on the official website currently but
the makers plan to release repositories that you can install on servers you have control over to create a self-hosted version of Open365 that you have more control over.
--8<--
I'm sorry but until this happens I consider this just as closed source
as any other proprietary solution.
I've seen already way too many "open source" projects with siloed
development turn open core or something else. Daniele, you are 101% correct about this, but as Paolo highlights, the same infrasctructure can be set up with just a little effort: a central server managed by yourself equipped with libreoffice, owncloud, seafile, jitsi, etc., and a set of (thin) clients for the users, until open36t5 does not become free.
The only drawback of open365's is that its linux client is available only for ubuntu. On debian it does not install, as well as on non-deb-based distros.
Cheers, Stefano
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On 2016-04-26 09:22, Steevie wrote:
Daniele, you are 101% correct about this, but as Paolo highlights, the same infrasctructure can be set up with just a little effort: a central server managed by yourself equipped with libreoffice, owncloud, seafile, jitsi, etc., and a set of (thin) clients for the users, until open36t5 does not become free.
You know, when I see "open" in a name without seeing the actual code I get utterly suspicious. Here's the wikipedia[1] page about eye os: --8<-- EyeOS released 2.5 on May 17, 2011. This was the last release under an open source license. It available in SourceForge for download under another project called 2.5 OpenSource Version. --8<--
Further, it's unclear to me how this solution is technically different than kolab + collabora effort ("cloudsuite", IIRC) to integrate libreoffice online. Knowing kolab history (and some guys there), my money is on them to release a truly free-software solution. Further, kolab already can be integrated with seafile, hence I see an eventual integration easier/more likely. BUT, as far as I know, at the moment collabora has two offers: the open source "CODE" edition and a commercial alternative. Which one is going to be integrated is out of my radar. I trust the kolab guys to do "the right thing", but we can't be sure until release.
Please note that I also believe that public administrations around the world should support efforts like these, under clear requirements (e.g. license-wise). That's my point of view (for the people who don't know it yet): 1 - Public administrations should act in the public interest. 2 - Free/libre software is software in the public interest. 3 - You close the syllogism :-)
The only drawback of open365's is that its linux client is available only for ubuntu. On debian it does not install, as well as on non-deb-based distros.
Until I see the source code and the attached license, I can't agree that this is the "only" drawback :-). It certainly is one.
Cheers, Stefano
Ciao, Daniele
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_os
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On 26 April 2016 at 12:50, daniele daniele@gobbetti.name wrote:
You know, when I see "open" in a name without seeing the actual code I get utterly suspicious. Here's the wikipedia[1] page about eye os: --8<-- EyeOS released 2.5 on May 17, 2011. This was the last release under an open source license. It available in SourceForge for download under another project called 2.5 OpenSource Version. --8<--
I didn't mention eyeos: my point is that if you don't like open365 because it's closed (which I agree on), you can deploy an exactly same infrastructure on your own server.
Further, it's unclear to me how this solution is technically different than kolab + collabora effort ("cloudsuite", IIRC) to integrate libreoffice online.
There are probably tens of better founded and more established suites (even not as features-full as Zimbra, or eGroupware -just to name the first coming to my mind) than open365. Something that hasn't yet been highlighted is that none of these has been mentioned in the Alpin's study. Open365 just seems to be a better counterexample than all those other suites because it fits, or seems to fit with many of the requirements of the local government for its needs.
Please note that I also believe that public administrations around the world should support efforts like these, under clear requirements (e.g. license-wise). That's my point of view (for the people who don't know it yet): 1 - Public administrations should act in the public interest. 2 - Free/libre software is software in the public interest. 3 - You close the syllogism :-)
You can't close a syllogism when one of the premises is a dubitative clause. :)
Until I see the source code and the attached license, I can't agree that this is the "only" drawback :-). It certainly is one.
In the context of the discussion, it was, IMHO. But I get your point.
Cheers, Stefano
On 2016-04-26 16:18, Steevie wrote:
I didn't mention eyeos: my point is that if you don't like open365 because it's closed (which I agree on), you can deploy an exactly same infrastructure on your own server.
Agreed ("almost" exactly, I'd say :-)
There are probably tens of better founded and more established suites (even not as features-full as Zimbra, or eGroupware -just to name the first coming to my mind) than open365. Something that hasn't yet been highlighted is that none of these has been mentioned in the Alpin's study. Open365 just seems to be a better counterexample than all those other suites because it fits, or seems to fit with many of the requirements of the local government for its needs.
I believe it's making the rounds mostly because of its name which "resembles" office365. Please note that I don't refer to our mailing list: There are a lot of articles about this solution coming out lately.
1 - Public administrations should act in the public interest. 2 - Free/libre software is software in the public interest. 3 - You close the syllogism :-)
You can't close a syllogism when one of the premises is a dubitative clause. :)
ARGH: never invoke logic when a PhD is listening ;-) Thanks for the correction, much appreciated. I hope my message was clear though :-)
In the context of the discussion, it was, IMHO. But I get your point.
Agreed, again
Cheers, Stefano
Ciao, Daniele
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Howdy,
On 26 April 2016 at 19:31, daniele daniele@gobbetti.name wrote:
On 2016-04-26 16:18, Steevie wrote:
I didn't mention eyeos: my point is that if you don't like open365 because it's closed (which I agree on), you can deploy an exactly same infrastructure on your own server.
Agreed ("almost" exactly, I'd say :-)
I'm curious about the "almost" part :)
I believe it's making the rounds mostly because of its name which "resembles" office365. Please note that I don't refer to our mailing list: There are a lot of articles about this solution coming out lately.
Yes, possibly this one is too hyped: I subscribed for the beta almost a week ago and still no answer/access, not a good point. The advantage/strength of open365 *MAY* come from ist funding company, which apparently is Spain's Telefonica.
You can't close a syllogism when one of the premises is a dubitative clause. :)
ARGH: never invoke logic when a PhD is listening ;-)
At least don't choose a PhD with a background in formal languiages to argue with. :-)
Thanks for the correction, much appreciated. I hope my message was clear though :-)
yes, obviously.
Cheers, Stefano
On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 12:50 PM, daniele daniele@gobbetti.name wrote:
Please note that I also believe that public administrations around the
world should support efforts like these, under clear requirements (e.g. license-wise). That's my point of view (for the people who don't know it yet):
1 - Public administrations should act in the public interest. 2 - Free/libre software is software in the public interest. 3 - You close the syllogism
I try ...
3 - Public Administrations don't care about 1 and 2 and in the meantime buy Office365 while we pick holes in Open365 and discuss the sex of angels.
Paolo.
On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 8:01 PM, Mutschlechner, Andreas ma@otetto.org wrote:
{btw. found a possible oldish cloud technology, xrdp and sesman}
xrdp: not too oldish - I still use it ;-)
“Build your opponent a golden bridge to retreat across.” ― Sun Tzu
Nice saying!
Paolo.
Ma scusa cosa centra il tuo discorso?
Lo studio di Alpin (su cui si basa la scelta della provincia) afferma una cosa evidentemente sbagliata. Punto
Diti
Il 25 aprile 2016 14:00:43 CEST, Paolo Dongilli paolo.dongilli@gmail.com ha scritto:
http://www.ghacks.net/2016/04/25/open365-office-365-alternative/
From the linked page:
--8<-- You can sign up for the service on the official website currently but the makers plan to release repositories that you can install on servers you have control over to create a self-hosted version of Open365 that you have more control over. --8<--
I'm sorry but until this happens I consider this just as closed source as any other proprietary solution. I've seen already way too many "open source" projects with siloed development turn open core or something else.
Ciao, Daniele
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